Music Credit: “NY” composed and performed by Kosta T, from the cd, Soul Sand.

Male Announcer: So our next comic is a US Marine Corps veteran, career air force brat, and a very prolific tweeter. Everyone please welcome to the stage, Stephanie Kline!

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Stephanie Kline: Good evening. Where are my marines or my fans of marines at?

<audience cheers>

Stephanie Kline: I love 'em too. So much in fact, that I have been married to two of them.

<audience laughs>

Stephanie Kline: That's not actually a joke, I was just showing off my survival skills. I did get divorced earlier this year, but you have to get back out there. I moved back to D.C. right next door next to the Pentagon. Uh, I don't work there, I just wanted to be closer to my dating pool.

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Jo Reed: That was Marine Corps veteran and comedian Stephanie Kline doing her first stand-up routine and this is Art Works, the weekly podcast produced at the National Endowment for the Arts. I'm Josephine Reed.

If you follow the work at the Arts Endowment at all, you’ll know that we have long believed that art has important therapeutic value for veterans who are confronting various physical and psychological challenges. For years, the National Endowment for the Arts has supported creative arts therapies for service members, as well as community arts programming for veterans and their families near some military medical facilities. The arts programming has focused primarily on creative writing, visual arts, from photography to painting to sculpture to music-making of all sorts. Other arts and veterans groups have expanded their programs to include other creative outlets, like comedy. More and more veterans are turning to comedy—stand-up in particular—to share their stories of their service and re-entry to civilian life. In fact, we’re seeing a number veterans in the process of becoming professional comedians. Like Stephanie Kline, a DC-based comedian, who has performed in shows across the country. By day, the Marine Corps veteran is a mild-mannered defense energy policy analyst, but at night, she’s taking the local comedy clubs by storm.

Meet Stephanie Kline.

Jo Reed: Thank you for coming. I really appreciate the schlep.

Stephanie Kline: Thank you for having me. It's always great to get out of the Pentagon for a little bit.

Jo Reed: <laughs> Now, I want you to tell me about your own military background.

Stephanie Kline: My father joined the Air Force when I was three. Actually, both my parents either got fired or laid off on the same day. My mom was a nurse. We were living in New Orleans. And my dad said, "Well, I guess I need to join the military." And he joined the Air Force and he got out several years ago as a one-star and so I've lived my entire life within the Defense community. I fought pretty hard against it. When I was in high school he really wanted me to go to the Academy to either do ROTC or to get a full-ride and I fought against it hard. I didn't want anything to do with the military. So I went to a very expensive undergrad school, very expensive grad school. Got all that student debt and then decided to join the Marine Corps.

Jo Reed: Ah, that was very good.

Stephanie Kline: Yes.

Jo Reed: Very good.

Stephanie Kline: Yes.

Jo Reed: Okay, tell me why the Marines though.

Stephanie Kline: I actually was interested in all of the services. I was working at the Pentagon at the time. I had got my master's in International Environmental Policy and I had done some of my graduate research for the Marines and the Army looking at sustainable ranges and how to protect training ranges from urban encroachment as well as environmental regulations. Really, how can you best enhance the environment without restricting your training? So I was very interested in doing that. I worked at the Pentagon for a few years and then realized that I talked a lot about what the war fighter needed and what the requirements were, but I didn't actually know myself. I knew from an academic perspective, but not experience. So I said, I need to join the service just as academic curiosity. And I looked at all of them. I didn't really want to do the Air Force. I didn't want to follow in my father's footsteps. I look very much like my dad, I have the same last name and I just thought it was a little too close. The Navy, I get seasick--

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Stephanie Kline: Pretty easily. I rode crew in college and I was a kayaking instructor as well and I got seasick quite a bit, so I thought that might not work. And so it was really down between the Army and the Marine Corps. And I was at a conference and I had been asking a few people their opinion and this two star Marine Corps General walks up to me and he says, "I heard you're thinking about joining my Marine Corps. What the bleep makes you worthy?" And then he just turned and walked away and it flipped that switch in the back of my head that I think a lot of Marines have of I now need to prove myself. I need to show that guy that I belong here and that started my path into the Marine Corps.

Jo Reed: Wow. What a story. What did you do in the Marine Corps and what was the training like and what was being immersed in a military life? Even though you come from a military family, I imagine it's quite different when suddenly you're the one in boot camp.

Stephanie Kline: Yes. It was, I think, the most difficulty I had was being older and having worked at the Pentagon, so I routinely dealt with two-stars and assistant secretaries or undersecretaries and then having to respond to 19- and 20-year-olds, who were ordering me around I think was the biggest cultural change for me. And just realizing that a lot of what was happening were psychological games, which was, that's what it was designed to do, to really get you in line. I think the Marine Corps does a phenomenal job of teaching future officers how to think like an enlisted person. If you're going to order someone around, you need to know what that actually is like. And they do a phenomenal job of taking that out on us, I think. And I didn't have a very common Marine Corps experience. I got injured somewhat early on in my career and then I took my experience that I had working on sustainable ranges and the Marine Corps said, "Well, this is a really great opportunity for you to be useful for us." And so I was shipped down to North Carolina, Camp Lejeune, and I helped with farmland preservation for the Marine Corps as one of the few people ever to do that as an active-duty Marine. And I did great work, but not going to war was not necessarily every little girl's dream who wants to go into the Marine Corps and do what she can do. We're all very anxious to prove ourselves, and so that experience I didn't get and so, a lot of my art kind of reflects my feeling of inadequacy, which we will certainly talk about later on.

Jo Reed: Yeah, well, we can jump into that now. How long were you in the Marine Corps?

Stephanie Kline: I served one tour, so I finished out my enlistment period. I would like to say that I would have done it forever until I retired, but I have girlfriends who are currently serving, who are miserable and I have those who absolutely love what they're doing and I have those who have gotten out and miss it every day. So I'm not sure, but I'm kind of happy with the path that I took.

Jo Reed: But do you miss it?

Stephanie Kline: Every day.

Jo Reed: What do you miss?

Stephanie Kline: I really miss the camaraderie. There's just that instantaneous bond when you show up at a unit of these are my people. These are the ones I'm responsible for. These are the ones I'm responsible to. Everyone has a pretty defined mission. It's just kind of a natural flow to who you can hang out with, what types of activities you do. Being able to bond automatically of well, we have to go do physical training. We have to PT. Let's go run together. Sweating and being in pain together helps quite a bit on the bonding side. That's probably the main thing that I miss.

Jo Reed: Now when you got out of the Marine Corps, Stephanie, was comedy calling you immediately? Had you done comedy before? How did this enter your life?

Stephanie Kline: I had done some small creative writing when I was in elementary school and done some stories, but most of my writing was just done professionally. The arts were something that I loved to consume and loved to enjoy, but I never, ever considered myself an artist or a creator of anything. Maybe cooking. I think that was probably the closest thing to art that I got to. When I got out of the Marine Corps, my husband at the time was still in. And I moved to Raleigh, North Carolina and he was still at the Marine Corps station in Cherry Point, which is about 2-1/2, 3 hours away. And I had three dogs, a big house, a new job that I hated—and was kind of miserable. Our marriage did not work out and I was left moving to D.C. feeling very lost, because at this point I was out of the Marine Corps, I didn't have that connection. I was no longer a military spouse. I didn't have that connection. And so I was really looking for something new, a new tribe, a new outlet. And I started doing the creative writing program though the Armed Services Arts Partnership and I did playwriting. That was not my path either, but the instructor there had noticed a few moments of dark comedy and some decent comedic timing and said, "Why don't you try their standup comedy program?" And for the longest time I thought that's ridiculous, it's not something I want to do. I don't want to be on stage. I don't actually like being in front of people and being the center of attention. And I also didn't know how that would work professionally. But I thought I would try it out and I wasn't terrible and I just kept doing it. I liked the ability to take things that made me uncomfortable and try to turn it around and use it to my benefit. It ended up being very therapeutic. And almost three years later, here I am.

Jo Reed: There's so much there I want to unpack. Why don't we begin with the Armed Services Arts Partnership? You mentioned that you took a course there. Tell me about that organization.

Stephanie Kline: So it was founded in 2015 by a college student at William & Mary, Sam Pressler. He had dealt with a family suicide. And through his coping and in kind of studying that, he realized comedy could be a way to help cope, not just with suicide, but with a lot of issues which really aligns with how members of the military cope with a lot of the dark issues that they deal with. He started a veterans writing group right there at William & Mary and it expanded into the Hampton Roads area and then it expanded into the D.C. area and now there's programs in creative writing, the visual arts, comedy, which I'm obviously a part of, improve—tons of workshops kind of one-off on acting, on songwriting, and they're all free for veterans, service members, which includes National Guard, Reserve, active duty, which is rare and a pretty phenomenal benefit. And it also includes family members and caregivers because one of the things about this organization is it really builds community, not just a one-off for the service member, but for the entire family to get involved. And at the time when you're going through the programs, that doesn't mean as much, but once I got out I was craving having those classmates back and what it was to have people around me that could push me but in a very loving way. It was I felt like I was home when I was there.

Jo Reed: You mentioned being a part of the comedy program. Are you a teacher there now? How are you still involved?

Stephanie Kline: I was a mentor for one of their comedy classes. So they have instructors and then the mentors will sometimes just provide a different perspective. Currently, I help run some of their social media and some of their communications. I do that as volunteer work because there's really no way I could ever repay them back so I thought at least I could do something which I absolutely love. But for me, just because of my job, because of really trying to do more comedy and more comedy writing, just committing to being an instructor right now probably doesn't work.

Jo Reed: Yeah, I can see how that's hard. You're juggling a lot. So, tell me about your first time standing up and doing a comedy bit.

Stephanie Kline: The way that the class is structured for the comedy boot camp is you have six weeks of class. And so you start to learn about all the comedic principles, really how to craft a joke with your set up, your punchline, and your tagline. And then you start rehearsing and get ready for that graduation show. I was one of the rare people that what I was writing down the first few weeks is exactly what I ended up presenting, because I spent so much time on the front end with the writing. So for me, once I got to the show, I had been working on that material for so long, which is a luxury and a rarity. Doing the show was both nerve wracking and totally freeing and terrifying and more than I could have ever expected and I absolutely fell in love. I had a lot of coworkers and friends there to support me. When I got up on stage I thought I was going to forget everything. Like, a few minutes beforehand, I forgot all my jokes, kind of panicked. And then I got out there and didn't know what to do at first and so just to buy time I just looked and just said, "Good evening," and stared for a second and then went right into it. And from then on, no matter where I am, I will always give the greeting of the day, just as my way to kind of center myself. But in that moment, it was complete panic.

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Stephanie Kline: Complete and utter panic.

Jo Reed: You went through the workshop and then you decided, "Okay, I'm going to go out and I'm going to take what I learned and do standup." How do you even begin?

Stephanie Kline: Well, the great thing about the Armed Services Arts Partnership is once you're done with a class in whatever skill, they provide opportunities for performances.

Jo Reed: Oh.

Stephanie Kline: Which is phenomenal.

Jo Reed: Yeah.

Stephanie Kline: So not only does it allow you to keep building your skill in a pretty safe way as well so that you get the experience, but it might not be as cruel and lonely as if I just went to an open mic by myself, which still terrifies me to this day. But it also allows the greater community to come in and see arts by veterans in the military community and it helps bridge that gap just a little bit, where they get to laugh at and with us and we get to kind of bare our souls, which I think brings everybody closer. So I did several performances through that organization where it was a very loving community and they were geared towards people coming in and supporting that, which builds a lot of confidence. Really don't think about how much confidence it takes to go into a room full of strangers and get up there and talk about yourself and try to get people on board and try to get people to laugh. And so that organization did a lot for my confidence building.

Jo Reed: There's no mercy in comedy.

Stephanie Kline: None.

Jo Reed: There's none, because people laugh or they don't. And the audience feedback is immediate. So I'm in awe <laughs> because I couldn't do it.

Stephanie Kline: Well, I finally got to the place where even if no one laughs, which thankfully never happens, knock on wood, it hasn't happened yet, I will say. I laugh at my own stuff. And there's plenty of tape of me just stopping for a second and enjoying my joke, which I'm getting to the point I'm doing more and more, and that makes it a lot more fun. I honestly hope that I never have a situation where no one laughs, but I'll be okay. And I think that's one of the other things that I took away from it is that, there will come a time where I am on stage and no one will laugh and I will live through that.

Jo Reed: Well, you know, in thinking about this and in thinking about the show that Improbable Comedy is hosting, Standup Silver Spring that you're a part of and it's all veterans, and as I said, I'm thinking there's no mercy in comedy, my God. You just, it's just not for the weak. But I'm also thinking the strength you need to stand on a stage is different from the strength the Marine Corps expects from you.

Stephanie Kline: I honestly think it's a lot harder than people think it would be for those in the military because we are trained to not be vulnerable. We have to suppress a lot of that. Don't show your emotion. Don't be vulnerable. Man up. That's a big part of it. When you go through these arts programs, and not just comedy, but we're certainly focusing on comedy and that's the biggest part of my life, you're vulnerable out there. For a lot of us, we are taking some of the most painful experiences and issues, we are breaking them down and putting them together in a way to get people to laugh. That is terrifying. The first joke that I ever wrote was about my divorces that I'm a failed wife. You know, I served one tour in the Marines, but I loved them so much that I married two of them. And it's one of my best jokes because it immediately lets the audience know a lot about me, that I was a Marine. I'm very much like most people in the military who have a failed marriage, but I have survived that. And when I first told that joke within our class, I was able to get feedback from people. One of my best friends in comedy was shot five times, is missing several of his fingers, and he was able to say, "That really made me laugh. Why don't you maybe think of this?" And that helps you really become vulnerable when you realize that we're in this together. And I now am able to laugh at his jokes about being shot five times and that's kind of a magical thing to go to and that's what makes me fall in love with that program, it makes me fall in love with comedy and it makes me fall in love with that community.

Jo Reed: What do you think it is about comedy that allows veterans to tell their stories in such a personal way?

Stephanie Kline: Well, for me, I certainly don't want to speak for everyone, I started off doing the very dark, dark writing. The play that I had been working on, it was just very sad, very angry, very full of emotion and somewhat unfocused. And I think comedy helps provide a little bit of that barrier, where you don't have to cry onstage and you don't want other people to cry with you or in front of you. Comedy really allows you to present these major traumas and issues and problems and struggles in a way that brings people closer to you because they don't pity you. I could write about how much my divorce hurt, how much it hurt that I felt like a failure in the Marine Corps. Or I could write a joke about it and I work through the same process where I tear it down, I build it back up, I cry a little bit while I write it, and then when I get up onstage I make people smile and I make people laugh and it kind of lets me know that I'm okay and I am going to be okay in a way that reading something sad just doesn't give. And I think the response of laughter really helps build us back up.

Jo Reed: Interesting. Now you perform obviously in venues outside of the Armed Services Arts Partnership. How is it when you're performing in a group of strangers, for example? You know, outside of that veteran community, how different is it? How uneasy is it? How exhilarating is it?

Stephanie Kline: I still get very nervous and probably more nervous when there are people I don't know. I'm very well-known for being slightly OCD and anal retentive. Like, I stick to my time. I stay within my time. I had to write down stage directions for myself so that I'm not very awkward and just standing onstage lecturing my jokes. When I have people that know that around me, it's a little bit more comforting. When I am in a new place with no one that I know, I'm a little bit more aloof, I'm a little bit more distant and I don't really warm up until after I've performed. And then I can enjoy everything. But it just changes the dynamic of how I get onstage and how I do my prep work. So I really love having my comedy people around me. Of course, that's not the best way to fully grow, because at some point if you really want to get out there and do more comedy, you have to move away from the nest. But for right now, especially because I have a day job, it's very fun and safe and comfortable for me to do that.

Jo Reed: Well, the event on the 27th of July, it's taking place at the American Legion Hall in Silver Spring and it's a lineup of comedians who are veterans. Are these all people who have gone through the program with you or are they just from the greater D.C. area?

Stephanie Kline: I've never met any of them.

Jo Reed: Really?

Stephanie Kline: So we are all vets but we haven't-- Well, I'm not sure if they've met each other, but I haven't met any of them. And so it's actually pretty exciting. The one thing about working with the same crowd over and over, you know, you know their jokes, you know their stories, so it's always fun to get new stories and have new jokes. So I'm really excited about it. And I'm also excited because I don't host much. I don't do a lot of improv, so my spontaneity is very well-rehearsed. But with hosting, you have to do more crowd work, you have to do a little bit more on the improv, so this is going to be a great opportunity for me to really get into that a bit more, so I'm very excited about it. It's going to be a fantastic show.

Jo Reed: How much direction are you given as the host for something like this, for example?

Stephanie Kline: So Improbable Comedy reached out to me and said, "Hey, would you like to MC?" and she will give me the time limit and I know the audience and I know what the goal is to honor the American Legion's hundredth year and that's, that's it. A good comedy show producer, which Kim Levone definitely is, she's phenomenal. She picks good people and she just gets out of the way.

Jo Reed: Have you worked with Improbable Comedy before?

Stephanie Kline: Yes. I've done a few shows and gone to a few shows and they're absolutely fantastic. One of the things I love about a lot of the shows that I go to is they really either highlight diversity or they promote it and they're always just fantastic shows. One of the shows that Kim Levone had done through Improbable Comedy was comedy as a foreign language or comedy as a second language. And so she took comedians who were all immigrants or English was not their first language and had them do a show. It was one of the funniest things I'd ever seen. And I find more and more that the tight-knit community, a lot of them veterans, start building up that type of opportunity for people. But for this show on the 27th, I mean, it's a pretty diverse lineup as well. I know we'll have officers, enlisted men, women and, you know, it's just a great opportunity to highlight an organization, and particularly American Legion, that hasn't always been the best on diversity and kind of flipping it on its head and presenting a lot of people who may have gotten stares going into that building 20 or so years ago and being able to say, "We still love the military and we still love your organization and what you're doing for us. And here's how we're going to change it."

Jo Reed: Of course, I'm talking to a veteran, so one part of diversity, officers, enlisted people. I mean, that never would have occurred to me in a minute, but so are do you find the people who gravitate towards comedy in general, do they tend to be more enlisted people rather than officers? I get that there are more enlisted people, but I just wonder, proportionately does it seem to be balanced?

Stephanie Kline: I honestly could not tell you. I think it's a pretty decent split. And being funny or not being funny is a pretty awesome leveling device. It doesn't matter if you're an officer or enlisted, who's funnier and who's got the better joke and the better feedback for that day. It all comes down to what you bring to that stage, which is really the best part of it.

Jo Reed: What's the comedy scene like in the DMV?

Stephanie Kline: I didn't realize just how robust it was and it's becoming one of the better places in the country to do comedy. You can find shows every single day and there are really hardworking comics who will go from Southern Maryland, you know, all the way down into Virginia. They go all over the place. Part of the luxury of my not having to rely on comedy for an income is that I prefer not to go more than, like, seven Metro stops from any one show,

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Stephanie Kline: So I can be home at a decent hour.

Jo Reed: Yeah, I hear that. And I was just going to ask you, comedy, let's face it, takes place at night and you do have a day job. How is that juggling for you?

Stephanie Kline: I rarely do open mic’s simply because I can't show up to a venue at 10:00 and hope to be on by 1:00 PM. [ph?] I will rarely do shows that are that late. The other amazing thing about the Armed Services Arts Partnership is that their shows are at a very reasonable time because they understand that most of us do have day jobs. If there's something that I really want to do, my current organization, they have been so supportive of my extracurricular activities and, you know, my work always comes first, in case my boss is listening, always comes first. But I'm very efficient, very effective, and so I leave plenty of time in order to get my comedy in, too.

Jo Reed: What have you discovered as you do your standup?

Stephanie Kline: So many things. One, I found that I'm a better person than I used to think I was. And I think comedy has really helped kind of flesh that out. I think just the friendships and the relationships that I've built. And one thing that I always like to say is I'm not the funniest but I'm one of the most professional when it comes to comedy. I work very hard at my craft. I work very hard to get myself into different shows or you know, into different comedy groups. And once I'm there, I work hard to advocate for myself and then to provide opportunities for other artists that I love to come and kind of take part in some of these great opportunities.

Jo Reed: You also produced a comedic short film called Dilemma.

Stephanie Kline: Yes.

Jo Reed: Tell me about that. And that, I have to say, was recently selected for the Atlanta Women in Comedy Film Festival. What's the film about? How did you get into this?

Stephanie Kline: So my creative partner, Tammy Highline, she and I met in the comedy boot camp and we just instantly connected. She was an enlisted Marine and there were five females total in our class and all the females banded together, but she and I just instantly clicked. We had the same sense of humor. She really wanted to work on a script and so I read it, loved it, and then she said, "I want to make it into a movie." And it's a mockumentary that pokes fun at the way that men in power make decisions about women's health care—typically uninformed. Not always malicious but not always well-meaning. And so we, our actors played the top experts in men's health. So we have a female senator, a female doctor, and a female community practitioner in abstinence. And talking about men's health in the same way that many men talk about women's health. I might be slightly biased, but it's hilarious. <laughs>

Jo Reed: It sounds like it really would be hilarious.

Stephanie Kline: Yes.

Jo Reed: How can people see this? Distribution is a whole other kettle of fish.Are you doing the festival circuit?

Stephanie Kline: We are. And we were just selected for the Atlanta's Women in Comedy Festival, which we are incredibly excited about. We are still working on how we're going to get it out there. And so you will be one of the first people that I will let know once it's out there.

Jo Reed: Definitely, please do.

Stephanie Kline: One of the great things about this film is we included a lot of people from the Armed Services Arts Partnership and they gave us some space for recording. We held our auditions there. Everyone on that film got paid, which was huge for us. One of the things that we really like to advocate for and one of the things that I really push for is that creative labor is still labor and even if your friends are willing to do things for you, you should get them economic opportunities whenever possible. Twenty-five percent of our actors were women-of-color. We had 50 percent women over 50, which is very difficult to get substantial roles for a lot of women of that age. We were a SAG-AFTRA film, so we had a SAG actress. So it was pretty incredible. We had 99 percent of our film crew was female and it was an absolutely phenomenal production. For the anal retentive, OCD part of me, I am very proud that only one day we went over on our schedule by seven minutes. <laughs> Which from what I hear is also unheard of in film production.

Jo Reed: Oh, yes, that is unheard of. <laughs>

Stephanie Kline: So it was one of the most fun experiences, one of the greatest learning opportunities, one of the best creative outlets for me. And Tammy and I are actually working on another project that we will certainly share with you once it comes out.

Jo Reed: You just keep leading into my next question. Thank you.

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Jo Reed: And I was going to ask you, so what is next?

Stephanie Kline: There is a film competition that we're currently working on doing a short-comedic film again and you know, Tammy and I, we lean on each other quite a bit. She's, I'm pushing her to get back into standup. She likes to do a lot of sketch comedy, so we have a group of female comedians that we rely on pretty heavily. You know, we have a group chat together. We hang out a lot. We really push ourselves creatively and are there for support professionally and creatively, personally, and I think that's one of the best things for me to kind of get that fire lit under my butt every once in a while. Because being creative at the drop of a hat just doesn't work for me. You know, you go through spurts, especially when work takes over, and so it's good to have people who will push and say, "You haven't done a new joke in a while. You should write something. We should work on this together, make some time." And that's also the great thing about having groups of military women who can kind of cut through the BS and they don't have to soften the language as much, "I've heard that joke four times now. New joke." And that's a really great thing for me.

Jo Reed: And it also sounds like they provide the camaraderie that you say you miss about the Marine Corps and one of the things you valued about being an active duty service member.

Stephanie Kline: Yes. I think for all of us, the Armed Services Arts Partnership and, you know, the groups that form and the families that form out of that, it's a lot of what we were missing. We have the same language. We understand the same things. We understand the same foundations for our jokes and our art. And it just is so natural. Again, it's just like showing up to that unit realizing, okay, these are my new friends. This is what happens. Very natural in that sense.

Jo Reed: Well, Stephanie, I look forward to seeing Dilemma at a film festival near me I hope soon. <laughs>

Stephanie Kline: Me, too.

Jo Reed: And to see your work around the DMV area. Thank you so much for coming in. I really appreciate it.

Stephanie Kline: Oh, thank you. This was fantastic.

Jo Reed: I loved it. Thank you.

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Jo Reed: That was Marine Corps veteran, comedian Stephanie Kline. If you’re in the DC area on July 27th, you can see Stephanie and other vets doing stand-up with Stand-Up Silver Spring. The show is 8pm at American Legion Post 41 in Silver Spring. Get more information at Improbable Comedy.com

You've been listening to Art Works, produced at the National Endowment for the Arts. You can subscribe to Art Works wherever you get your podcasts, so please do. And leave us a rating on Apple because it helps people to find us. For the National Endowment for the Arts, I'm Josephine Reed. Thanks for listening.

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