Jo Reed: And I think oddly at this moment, this incredibly challenging moment, and I do not mean at all to suggest otherwise, but because it's a moment of pause and we all know things are going to be different on the other side of this. It's also a real opportunity to begin doing work on inclusion and diversity. I mean, real work.

Nataki Garrett: Yeah. Now is the time. I keep saying, I have colleagues who've said, "Well, when we go back." And I keep saying, "There is no back. You know, back ended last April. There is no place to go back to. We are in a new paradigm and we actually have to figure out what we're heading forward to, not going back to something." You know, I think, you know, one of the things that I keep asking my teams at OSF is how well were our systems functioning before the pandemic and before the social uprisings of last summer. How well? I think we could get away with it. You know, and we could get away with it for probably another decade. But it was on the decline. Now is the time to shift. We actually have to do the shift. And I do, I hope as an industry we do make these shifts. But there's a lot of fear. People are afraid to change because they're going to lose something. And what they're going to lose they're more afraid of losing than what they might gain. We think of EDI as charity as opposed to as a way of allowing our theaters to really thrive and meet our mandates, our missions, even.  And so all of that has to shift, and it has to shift now or we will be irrelevant to the generations that follow.